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'Agnes' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 54-029
most recent 26 DEC 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 MAY 11 by Jay-Jay
When I looked at the uploaded pictures of this rose, I noticed most of the flowers are yellow.
But some are pink(-ish) or even almost salmon.
Is there a sport, or does this rose vary in color due to......?
Reply #1 of 14 posted 11 MAY 11 by Patricia Routley
In my garden 'Agnes' can certainly have pink tints, at times. I haven't stopped to note temperature or another reason. Will try to remember to do so next season and photograph it.
Reply #2 of 14 posted 11 MAY 11 by Jay-Jay
Patricia, Thank You for Your reply, with the description of Your experience with Agnes and (future) photo!
Reply #3 of 14 posted 15 MAY 11 by Patricia Routley
Hello again Jay-Jay. I've had a search of my literature and added a couple of references. Mostly they say additional colours of buff and amber, but the 2004 reference does say "hints of pink".
Reply #4 of 14 posted 15 MAY 11 by Jay-Jay
Thank You Patricia, Marina Parr will be glad to hear that too!
Reply #5 of 14 posted 16 NOV 11 by Patricia Routley
Hello Jay-Jay, The spring season is almost over here and I have been watching all the time.
I have not seen the pink centers I have seen in past years, but one or two that perhaps could be called pale pink. It has been a wet and cool spring with no hot weather to speak of.
Reply #6 of 14 posted 16 NOV 11 by Jay-Jay
Thank You Patricia, that You remembered to look for me this spring (our autumn)!
It looks as if there is a hint of pink or buff, if you like. The roses look paler than earlier, or is that because of the light?
Is such a wet and cool spring not common for your part of Australia?
I wish You to enjoy the season and the oncoming flush of roseflowers!
Best regards, Jay-Jay.
Reply #7 of 14 posted 4 JAN 13 by Patricia Routley
Jay-Jay. Look, look, look at what I found. After a wonderfully wet spring, then a horrific heatwave lasting 5 or 6 days, and returning at last to 2 cool and most pleasant days. 'Agnes' has gone semi-double and pinkish apricot. This is the same bush as photographed above. These blooms are at the tip of the now much taller bush.
Reply #8 of 14 posted 4 JAN 13 by Jay-Jay
Thank You Patricia,
That's a surprise! As for the colour, they look completely different roses, but beautifull as well!
Almost very light salmon pink.
Your bush is a lot bigger than mine, that's still a baby. Maybe I'll relocate it at a better spot.
Thanks again for sharing with and remembering my question.
Yours' sincerely, antipode Jay-Jay.
Reply #9 of 14 posted 5 JAN 13 by Patricia Routley
The pink colour in 'Agnes' may be due to heat. There will be lots of Australian members who may be able to contribute here as the aforementioned heatwave is now scorching most of the Eastern side of Australia. Photos will be welcome.
Reply #10 of 14 posted 20 DEC 20 by CybeRose
I just came across this note and thought you would be amused by the rather condescending response.

American Gardening 15: 205 (1894)
Persian Yellow Rose Bearing Pink Flowers.-- Three years ago I bought a Persian Rose Yellow Rose plant from a reputable florist. The second year after flowering it bloomed and had bright yellow flowers. Last Summer it bloomed again, but the Roses were pink, not a trace of yellow to be seen. Can you tell me the cause of the change?--L. BADGER, Washington.

The Persian Yellow Rose is invariably propagated by budding or grafting, and the chances are that your flowers last Summer were fromfthe stock, and not from the Rose.--I. L. P.
Reply #11 of 14 posted 20 DEC 20 by Patricia Routley
That’s intriguing Karl. So Agnes’ parent might also have had this ability to go pink. I don’t grow Persian Yellow but i imagine any rootstock foliage would have been quite evident. One feels for Mr. Badger who must have done a lot of mumbling into his beard at the response he received.
Reply #12 of 14 posted 23 DEC 20 by CybeRose
In November 2011 I was writing to someone (Not RHA Forum) about the 'Harison's Yellow' oddity:

"It was probably just a transient, perhaps like the 'Persian Yellow' with red petaloids that Fred Boutin described. It appears that both 'Persian Yellow' and 'Harison's Yellow' possess the genes necessary for synthesizing red pigment, but that at least one of these genes is suppressed (silenced)."

Of course, I can't remember where Fred Boutin wrote about this. Probably Brent Dickerson's ChezVibert. Sadly, the old records have been wiped by Google.

And going to the opposite extreme, Le Grice (1976) commented on the early Pernetianas.

"They had one serious drawback in the English climate. In cold weather their golden colour did not develop, and at their first flowering they were usually turnipy white."

Reply #13 of 14 posted 24 DEC 20 by Margaret Furness
Maybe a combination of factors. Chicago Peace was stunning at Renmark (alkaline sand) but in my slightly acid clay it was turnipy and pink. Not as blistering hot here as Renmark can get (some Heritage Roses members had to collect budwood on a day which turned into 49C), but climate zone 9b verging on 10.
Reply #14 of 14 posted 26 DEC 21 by Michael Garhart
That happens on various roses here in the Pac. NW. It is almost always in the spring, and it seems to follow haphazard weather changes. More commonly with yellow, but I know it can happen with most colors.
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Discussion id : 97-437
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Initial post 11 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
I have read that this rose is sterile. Is it even sterile as a pollen parent?
Reply #1 of 4 posted 26 NOV 20 by CybeRose
Apparently not. Peter Harris used it on 'Golden Showers'. He got a raggedy, pale yellow bloom on a plant with some blackspot.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 26 NOV 20 by Margaret Furness
It's the only rose I've grown that got rust. I wouldn't bother to try breeding from it!
Reply #3 of 4 posted 29 NOV 20 by CybeRose
I can't dispute that. I last saw 'Agnes' 40-odd years ago. I don't recall any rust, but that was in Kansas and the clearest memory I have is of the fragrance. Nice color, too. Come to think of it, I don't recall any rust at all in the Reinisch Rose Garden in Topeka.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 29 NOV 20 by Patricia Routley
No rust on Agnes in my cool acid soil either.
Discussion id : 64-168
most recent 26 NOV 20 SHOW ALL
Reply #1 of 7 posted 9 MAY 12 by Patricia Routley
I too cannot see anything to substantiate the "before 1884" date.
Because of the 1940 reference where 1902 was quoted, I have altered the bred date to circa 1900.

I have recently done some pruning of my rugosas and struggled so much with the steel-like old canes of 'Agnes' that I had to get the chain saw out. That is one tough old lady!
Reply #2 of 7 posted 9 MAY 12 by flodur
Thanks! The old lady is really worth to fight with the chain saw. In my garden it is always the first rose to bloom with an excellent perfum filling half the garden.
The pink shadings you discussed some time ago are only to be seen at the few later blooms when reblooming.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 10 MAY 12 by Jay-Jay
That's good information!
Reply #4 of 7 posted 25 NOV 20 by CybeRose
According to W. T. Macoun (American Rose Annual, pp. 80-81, 1924),
"The cross was made by the late D. William Saunders, at the Central Experimental Farm, Ottawa, Canada, about the year 1900. It bloomed first in 1902, and has been under test at Ottawa ever since, during all of which time, so far as the writer is aware (and he has seen it every year) it has never been noticeably injured by winter."

"Although introduced by the Experimental Farm, Ottawa, only in 1923, it will be noted from the statement above that the rose has been given a thorough test there. A few plants are available to those who care to obtain them."
Reply #5 of 7 posted 25 NOV 20 by flodur
Thanks CybeRose! That means we have to take 1902, the year of the first bloom, as year of breeding!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 25 NOV 20 by Patricia Routley
Date corrected to 1902. Thanks to you both.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 26 NOV 20 by CybeRose
Thank you for the pictures of 'Agnes' going pink. I've never seen that. And hadn't read about it before. It does go well with the alleged 'Harison's Yellow' at the San Jose Heritage garden that I saw flushed with red following a heatwave ... in two different years.
Reply #8 of 7 posted 26 NOV 20 by Patricia Routley
A pleasure Karl.
In 2020 I moved a sucker of my Harison's’ Yellow (Provenance Pinjarra Heritage Rose Garden 2-9) from gravel to deep loam and it is doing well. I have seen one or two deep yellow blooms and will watch it this summer.
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