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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
Fragrance holds up even in 104F weather, as does the color. So it seems unphased by heavy rain or high heat. This is Oregon at 300 ft above sea level though, so our 104F may not be as UV intense as 104F in the south. However, this still fries others in the garden.

I bought this rose because I was tired of how awful Austin reds were. Didn't bloom. Mildew. Blackspot. Giant plants. PLANNED SCARCITY. And so on. It was a good gamble.
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Initial post today by Michael Garhart
Verdict? Give it time maybe?
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Initial post today by odinthor
Actually, now I find 'Red Maman Cochet'--the later 'Niles Cochet'--listed by the California Nursery Company in their 1905 catalog (p. 78); they themselves are thus a year off when they state in 1915 that its introduction was in 1906. Their 1904 catalog does not list it.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted today by scvirginia
Presumably, the folks at CA Nursery Co. watched their sport for at least a year or two to see if it was stable. The 1905 listing probably was the earliest listing of the sport, and they were wrong to say it was introduced in 1906.

If the 1905 offering was the rose later renamed 'Niles Cochet', perhaps it was a 'soft launch' of sorts...the nursery only had a limited quantity of plants, but didn't anticipate huge demand. To 21st century catalog readers, the 1905 listing looks like the 1906 listing, but was there some sort of hoop-de-doo that went on at the nursery proper in 1906 that they thought of as the actual introduction?

I also wonder if people ordering 'Red Maman Cochet' before the name change thought they were ordering 'Balduin' AKA 'Helen Gould', and if the confusion is what finally prompted the name change?
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Initial post today by scvirginia
Has anyone compared this rose to 'Pavillon de Pregny', the Noisette hybrid? To me, the photos look similar, and the description of the bloom size also seems close.
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