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Initial post yesterday by Clairose
Can anyone advise if this rose is available in Australia please ?
Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Margaret Furness
No gardens or sellers listed, no photos. Not all nurseries list their plants on helpmefind, but I don't think you'll find it.
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Initial post 3 OCT 20 by sam w
This rose regularly turns up in the springtime stacks of bodybag roses at the local stores. I bought one once and, to my surprise, it thrived in spite of its inauspicious beginnings. The next year I had the same experience and after a year off I bought a third one this way and it also prospers.
All of which leads me to say that while 90% of the roses sold in those awful little plastic bags full of wet bark don't do very well, this instead is one of the handful that is actually worth the gamble.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 6 days ago by Michael Garhart
It helps to remove the garbage filler they put in those bags. Sometimes they will cause a fungal infection in the root zone. Such as dry rot.

Always inspect the roots and nip off any decay or where they are broken so those body bag roses have a fighting chance.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 4 days ago by MADActuary
If you want a good Red Masterpiece you can get a bareroot #1 grade from Regan Nursery. I have one and it's thriving. Very underrated rose in that it is rated 6.9 in ARS Handbook. It's much better than that in my garden (Zone 5b, Chicago area). Hardy through two winters now.
Reply #3 of 3 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
ARS ratings before 2000 are really ... suspect... because most of it was through the eyes of exhibitors. For sniffy reds, I prefer Firefighter and Claret. I think Red Masterpiece was a good improvement on resolving some of Chrysler Imperial's issues and creating a decent red sniffer for the garden.
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Initial post 3 NOV 13 by AquaEyes
OK, trying again....

The 1824 Pronville reference does NOT classify it as once-blooming. The second quoted segment in the reference here does not refer to 'Var. Anemating' but instead is a sort of "side-note" about China roses -- though they were previously described under the header of "semperflorens" ("ever-blooming"), their seedlings bloom once per year. This probably refers to the time before controlled pollination, and the hips collected from the Chinas may thus be pollinated by once-blooming European roses, the resulting seedlings being once-blooming Hybrid Chinas. Please see link below, start at page 177 (where the header of LVII 'R. semperflorens' appears at line 277), then follow through the list of repeat-blooming Chinas. Then, on page 178, you'll see the next line quoted in the reference for this rose appearing as a sort of side-note: "N. B. Toutes les varietes de semis du bengal ne fleurissent qu'une fois l'anee" which translates to "All varieties of China seedlings bloom only once a year".

The 1826 Noisette reference (linked below) does list this rose among other known once-blooming Hybrid Chinas, and that is a bit of a mystery, considering the other references listed here. I wonder if perhaps a seedling of 'Animating' was passed off as 'Animating' and Noisette described that rose. The practice of giving parent-names to seedlings was not always known to be incorrect at that time -- surely the subtle variations of the first Chinas in Europe as depicted in paintings and descriptions result from, for example, seedlings of 'Slater's Crimson' being raised as 'Slater's Crimson'. Another possibility is that Noisette simply made an error.

Considering that Noisette's is the only reference calling the rose once-blooming, and that other references list this rose as among those imported directly from China (thus not a "classic Hybrid China" with a European rose parent), is it not more likely that one reference was incorrect about this characteristic rather than that all the others were?


Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by odinthor
LeRouge (1819) says, "There aren’t any fanciers who can make it bloom all year."
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Initial post yesterday by eihblin
I have a rose that was called "Robusta" bourbon, and it is very definitely purple-red, never pink.
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