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Personally, I find it hard to believe that this rose is not in some way, shape, or form related to the hybrid rugosa Hansa. Color qualities are quite similar, if not identical....as is the scent, which is 100% identical to Hansa after a side by side comparison of the two today amongst various other rugosas and hybrid rugosas.
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#1 of 7 posted
16 MAY 10 by
 jedmar
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A Swiss nurseryman told me that many 'Roseraie de l'Hay' in commerce are, in fact, 'Hansa'.
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Do you have any new experiences, infos on the identity of Hansa-Roseraie de l'Ay?
I'm interested as i ordered both of them for this winter and curious if i end up with two specimens of the same cultivar...
Doesn't really matter just curious how for example the bush size is stated in several platform, quite a few portals describe Hansa as 120-150 cm tall max and R.D.L. 150-200 cm - which is quite a big difference if i wanna consider the space available for each cultivar...
Thank you for any information!
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#3 of 7 posted
9 NOV 21 by
jedmar
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The easiest way to distinguish them is by the blooms:
- 'Roseraie de l'Hay' has double blooms with the yellow stamens visible. An early reference from "Journal des Roses" points out the similarity of the bloom to 'Souvenir de Pierre Leperdrieux'. You will find a good drawing of this rose on our listing of it.
- 'Hansa', on the other hand, has full, somewhat irregularly positioned petals, with stamens not evident.
You can see that among the photos of 'Roseraie de l'Hay' some which are definitely 'Hansa', and vice versa.
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Oh thank you for the reply, i'm looking forward to observing them both during next season! :)
Peter
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Jedmar, following my private message, photos of the cultivar.
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#6 of 7 posted
2 days ago by
jedmar
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'Roseraie de l'Haÿ' and 'Hansa' are very similar, their blooms are about the same size and both have a strong clove fragrance. 'Hansa' is a bit more mauve than RdH and is more inclined to white stripes. RdH is more pink, sometimes less double, has less often white stripes. I believe that in commerce these two roses are sometimes mixed up - see the photos posted on HMF. I would say your rose is more like 'Hansa'.
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Jedmar thank you. I'm thinking the same, 'Hansa' it could very well be.
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Available from - Novaspina
www.novaspina.com
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I have one own root plant growing next to the house's south-western wall, zone 7 (8). It's 3 years old, doing extremely well, it's about 4,5 meters / 15 feet tall now.
It doesn't repeat though, and i remember in some garden forum or FB group i had some thread discussing that MN likes to repeat when grafted on certain types of rootstock.
Does anyone have any expreience/knowledge on this?
thanks, Peter
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16 NOV 16 by
JM3
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This is no longer for sale in the US, buy I'm willing to pay for a cutting. Does it perform reasonably on its own roots?
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Sometimes sold on Etsy for way overprice.
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#2 of 10 posted
3 DEC 23 by
Lee H.
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I’m beginning to believe that one can make a tidy side hustle with discontinued Austin roses. Same story with Jude the Obscure.
It’s only overpriced if you can’t find willing buyers…
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They seem to be quite the status symbol in some quarters. I wonder if the DA company will not live to regret its' aggressive culling policy.
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lol, I hope you live long enough to see that! They have been culling better roses for poorer roses since their early days, sometimes just to replace a pink rose on the market without patent protection with one that did get patented.
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Ding ding ding. Watch what Star does now that the KO patents will start to wane.
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just for the record and a bit off-topic, can you recommend good older DA cultivars that are worth to grow?
I kinda like their older ones anyway, Summer Song was quite new but stopped - one of my favourites still.
i really don't have a problem with it as long as it's treated like a HT or floribunda, harder pruning etc
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I'm not a DA expert.
For health and abundance, Jude the Obscure is amazing. But she is a BIG plant.
For size and repeat, Jubilee Celebration. Big blooms on normal-size plant, in a nice color.
For classic look, small stature, and health: Geoff Hamilton. But it has low summer repeat. Large Spring/summer flushes, but it is not much for summer bloom.
Most DA are kinda garbo here, because they're big blooms on big plants, prone to being drug into the ground by their own devices + rain.
A good non-DA alternative is Distant Drums, which is bred from a DA. Prairie Sunrise has DA type blooms on a floribunda plant. Some newer alternatives. I am currently testing out the French versions of DA. One called Allegorie and another called Esprit de Paris. I am hoping they are MUCH smaller plants, but with good repeat.
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Oh thanks, i'm definitely gonna check them out! :)
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In the USA, we have found the DA cultivars to be quite climate specific. If you could give us some idea of what your particular climate in Hungary is like, we might have some ideas. That said, you probably could not go wrong with the now venerable 'Mary Rose', not maybe the most dramatic of roses, but among the most dependable. 'Fair Bianca', remember her, is a charming rose on a weak plant. I was fond of 'Symphony', now I believe being called 'Allux Symphony' and 'English Garden', both having modest growth habit, strong stems and good rapid bloom of large, flat many petalled flowers. AS is a nice soft yellow color while EG has a more goldy bronze color and grows about a foot taller than AS.
I think 'Evelyn' is one of the most beautiful of all roses, but is very much a desert rose, which will flourish wherever SDLM can be grown.
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Thank you for the input! Well we're mostly zone7, colder winters than most of the UK (although this winter was mild again, the lowest in my garden was 14F and for a few days only) and hotter summers with drought sometimes with highs between cc 80-107F. Roses Like the weather because of the sun and it's arid, but better to water them weekly if no sufficient rain for a while.
(Austins are very popular here although i never really liked them apart from some personal favourite like Abraham Darby, Othello, i also have the Pilgrim, Judi Dench and Summer Song - the latter 2 are very good performers through the whole summer)
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