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Nastarana 
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Hi. Just became a member and I have a question. I grew some roses many years ago and want to start growing them again. I'm very interested in two bourbons and cannot make up my mind as to which one. First, Mme. Earnest Calvat or Boule de Neige. I'm in northeastern Ohio, zone 5b and I want very fragrant roses. I love both roses forms, but, I've read that BdN is not very fragrant, yet, it is disease resistant, where MEC is not. I've done as much reading as I can find on both roses. Can anyone growing BdN give me any information on it's scent and the strength of it? I would sure appreciate it as BdN is a more practical rose for me, but, if it's not very fragrant I will pass it up.
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#1 of 8 posted
5 NOV 22 by
Frenzy
Boule de Neige ist very fragrant, has strong Bourbon/Centifolia fragrance. Also very disease resistant. It will definitely need winter protection in zone 5b though. If I had to chose between BdN and MEC, I would go with BdN.
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Thank you, Frenzy I appreciate the info. I'm in zone 6a and I've read that BDN is winter hardy to zone 5. What is confusing is different nurseries say different things about it. Angel Gardens says it is slightly fragrant and Peter Beale says strong rose scent. When I made the first post I assumed I was still in zone 5 and later found out it's changed to 6. However, I plan on giving all my new roses winter protection for the first year. BND has a smaller rose, but, the shape is just beautiful as are her buds.
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I don’t do any winter protection here in Spokane (my yard is very cold; likely more zone 5 than 6). It usually sails through just fine it’s on the east side of the house.
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For my white roses I ended up getting Madame Plantier, an Alba, and am ordering Madame Hardy as soon as one comes available. I am also getting Konigin Von Danemark ( Queen of Denmark), also and Alba because of their disease resistance and beautiful blooms and fragrance. I planted Madame Plantier late last summer and I worried about it dying over the winter, but, it's leafing out beautifully and looking very healthy, though, small. Thank you for your reply, princess.
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May I ask where did you find KvD?
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#6 of 8 posted
12 APR 24 by
Lee H.
I got mine from David Austin US, but alas, they are sold out for this season.
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Both Heirloom Roses and High Country Roses have Konigin Von Danemark. It's such a beautiful rose I don't care if it only blooms once a year. Both roses are sold out right now, but, will be available soon, so, keep lookiing at these sites or put in a wish for them and they will email you when they are ready.
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#8 of 8 posted
yesterday by
Gdisaz10
The scent of boule de neige varies greatly with the temperatures, if it is hot it is very light and barely perceptible, at least to my nose. Its growth is very straight. Madame plantier here is very resistant while madame hardy often gets sick at the end of the season and to my nose it smells little. Konigin Von Danemark is very beautiful in my opinion but it blooms little.
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9 days ago by
goncmg
When this variety “gets it right” it gets it sooooooo right. Alas, in my experiences in Northern California, Ohio and Florida it rarely does get it anywhere near “right” and more often than not is a thorny, partially defoliated tower of yuck. But I can’t not grow it because wow. It’s the “dream” rose I envision those times the planets align……
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Your photo shows good color and healthy foliage. Do you think CP is in any way an improvement on 'Tropicana'? Are there any 'Tropicana' descendants you can recommend, even only with reservations?
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#2 of 4 posted
9 days ago by
goncmg
Hi there! That was a fast comment! And a good question. Here’s the strange background: I can’t grow Tropicana. That variety hates me. It hated me when I was 5 it most recently hated me at 56. It hates me no matter what format I try to grow it in: budded, own root, first rate plant, body bag rescue, in a pot or in the ground, Northern California, Central Ohio, Northeastern coastal Florida. So for me, as measured against its Mother who hates me, it is a little bit of an improvement. And in general the blooms are more star shaped exhibition. The foliage and stems and buds looks a lot like Tropicana. It’s super tall and thin like Hawaii. I think the color is a bit more saturated than either parent, it’s a bit more orange than Tropicana, the color captures in my photos are accurate! But in the big picture? No. I don’t think it’s an improvement over Tropicana. I don’t think it’s even much of an improvement over Hawaii. And that seemed to be the general assessment 55 years ago at introduction. I’m pretty certain it ranks amongst the “you’ve got to be kidding me” AARS award recipients. And I agree with that even though I personally love it. As for other children of Tropicana I need to think on that. It’s weird but nothing immediately jumps to my mind!
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#3 of 4 posted
9 days ago by
Lee H.
Christopher, do you spray? I grow a lot of the “mid century greats” that you do (including Tropicana), but I know they probably would never come close to flourishing if I didn’t keep up a rigorous program.
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#4 of 4 posted
9 days ago by
goncmg
Oh yes. I spray. Pretty frequently in spring then I’m tired by August when generally it won’t stop raining and there is no point. I also use very strong liquid seaweed solution to water them and it seems to help keep disease at bay. I have less blackspot here in Florida than I did in Ohio! I’m right on the coast and there’s always a breeze and that’s got to be why? Breeze and seaweed? I don’t spray the blooms or buds and I don’t use insecticides but I do mix up the Daconil nice and strong. You can see the residue on the leaves in the pic.
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11 days ago by
melegie
Hello! I live in Boston, Massachusetts, zone 7A. I have walked by this gorgeous rose bush many times on my way to the library, with tiny pink blooms that seem to fade to a lighter pink over time. Please help me figure out what the name of this looming rose bush is. It looks like a polyantha, and I thought it was the fairy, but the petals on this mystery rose are more pointed looking than The Fairy's. Thank you for anyone who can help!
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11 days ago by
Nastarana
Can you tell us about repeat bloom, if any? The picture looks like a rambler. Someone who knows the ramblers better than me might be able to ID the group of ramblers, Wicherana, multiflora for example, to which it might belong. There are two lost, almost certainly extinct, alas, Ayrshire ramblers from the early 20thC, which were bred in Boston, but what I could see of the leaves didn't look like an Ayrshire.
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Beware...this company is run by a couple who have a history of jail time for business scams and took thousands of orders and did not ship. Ran out of money to give refunds...Stay away.
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Can you document that assertion? Because if you can't, why ought I to believe it?
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Absolutely,.....do a quick google search of Nate and Tess Fisher.. I wouldn't waste my time warning people if it wasn't true, but please go ahead and order from them and find out for yourself..? Check out FB Rose Vender Feedback and you will have all the info you need....years and years of multiple scams and jail time.
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