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sam w
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Initial post 25 JAN 14 by sam w
I have grown the rose Vintage Gardens sells under this name for about five years and I have never discerned any difference between its bloom and that of RdV. It is at best a slightly more robust selection of RdV.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 JUN by Nastarana
Vintage Gardens Book of Roses, 2006. p. 75, the entry for Pius IX describes finding a reversion to this rose on a bush of Reine des Violets. From that it was concluded that "This is the sport parent of Reine des Violettes".
Reply #2 of 3 posted 1 JUN by jedmar
There is a difference in colouring to RdV. Please also see "Reine des Violettes - Helle Variante" which is sold in Germany. Possibly also a reversion to Pius IX, which was propagated as RdV.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 JUN by Margaret Furness
There is a bristly rose sold in Australia as Reine des Violettes, and also turning up in old cemeteries. We guessed it was Pope Pius IX. Photos taken late summer, South Australia, zone 9b. Both roses are in the Blakiston Schoolhouse garden.
If only many roses would sport to thornless forms!
most recent 15 MAY HIDE POSTS
Initial post 15 MAY by sam w
This may be the first rose I get rid of solely based on its smell. At last I understand people mean when they describe a fragrance as medicinal or like inexpensive scented cold cream. I may not even wait out the season to toss this one.
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Initial post 28 APR by sam w
It's such a harsh yellow when it first opens that I found it hard to place in the garden.
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Initial post 3 OCT 20 by sam w
This rose regularly turns up in the springtime stacks of bodybag roses at the local stores. I bought one once and, to my surprise, it thrived in spite of its inauspicious beginnings. The next year I had the same experience and after a year off I bought a third one this way and it also prospers.
All of which leads me to say that while 90% of the roses sold in those awful little plastic bags full of wet bark don't do very well, this instead is one of the handful that is actually worth the gamble.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 16 APR by Michael Garhart
It helps to remove the garbage filler they put in those bags. Sometimes they will cause a fungal infection in the root zone. Such as dry rot.

Always inspect the roots and nip off any decay or where they are broken so those body bag roses have a fighting chance.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 18 APR by MADActuary
If you want a good Red Masterpiece you can get a bareroot #1 grade from Regan Nursery. I have one and it's thriving. Very underrated rose in that it is rated 6.9 in ARS Handbook. It's much better than that in my garden (Zone 5b, Chicago area). Hardy through two winters now.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 APR by Michael Garhart
ARS ratings before 2000 are really ... suspect... because most of it was through the eyes of exhibitors. For sniffy reds, I prefer Firefighter and Claret. I think Red Masterpiece was a good improvement on resolving some of Chrysler Imperial's issues and creating a decent red sniffer for the garden.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 22 APR by MADActuary
I have had trouble getting an own root Chrysler Imperial to grow. So trying one grafted on Dr. Huey this year.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 23 APR by Lee H.
Madactuary, I also have an own root C.I. that did poorly, until I moved it from a spot getting maybe 8 hours of sun, to one that is sunny from dawn until dusk. That made all the difference.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 24 APR by MADActuary
That's great to hear Lee. But I don't have a spot for dawn until dusk. But where my own root CI is, gets plenty of sunshine - plus plants surrounding it have been thriving. I'll bet my new budded Chrysler Imperial (to be planted adjacent to the existing CI) will grow circles around the own root plant. And although I complain about the own root plant, it has been doing better each growing season. Maybe 2024 is the year it will leap!
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